Biological Laws teach us how to live - My interview with Federico Franco
Hormonal balance, depression and the state of western society
Federico Franco is a Human Being, before being a psychologist and divulger of biological laws and mind-body connections. For many years he has been organising seminars to disseminate and integrate the knowledge that Dr Hamer has made available and that anyone - bar none - can experience at any time of their existence. In this interview, we will have the opportunity to explore topics such as the importance of bio-genealogy in biological programmes and the role of the hormonal balance within society. For all those who would like to contact Federico or get more information about his work, you can access his site by clicking the following link. Happy reading.
Hello Federico and welcome. First of all, I would like to know why you chose to study psychology at university.
Before entering Psychology, that same year I also took the admission test for Sport Sciences and Physiotherapy. Thinking about it in retrospect, at that point in my life I was already looking for something that could provide me with more information about the functioning of the psyche and the body, but the real reason that led me to enrol in the Faculty of Psychology was the need on my part to find an identity. I went all the way, the five years and the state exam, which is compulsory to be able to work as a psychologist. I even managed to register as a psychologist, but in my thirties, the curiosity to analyse through other lenses certain 'academic' explanations that I had taken for granted until then was triggered in me.
How did you arrive at the five biological laws?
At the time I went to a lecture by Antonio Bertoli in which he presented his book 'Le vere origini della malattia', from the perspective of psycho-bio-genealogy. From that moment on, I started a whole series of courses - which I attended, by the way - with the aim of learning more about the five biological laws. For seven years now, I have been offering courses and seminars with the aim of approaching anyone who feels the need and desire to discover this information. I have since left the psychology register because I feel I no longer need that identity. My present is this, but it is in flux, just like biology. In addition, I am fascinated by the fact that I am always 'verifying' the information I learnt and through which I interact almost daily during individual consultations.
In this regard, I believe that it is precisely clinical activity that keeps that 'becoming' of which you speak alive. This can only happen by investigating and asking questions of people who make their personal experiences available to the therapist. Do you agree?
Absolutely so. Starting with the little things, like a cold or a headache. Above all on oneself.
In my opinion, biological laws teach us how to live, because they are in fact inside us. Even if we do not know them we somehow experience them. If I explain to someone the cause of a cold and that someone answers me by telling me not to believe a single word of what I told him, the 'biological programming' that will trigger all his future colds will always be the same. Whether you know them or not, biological laws always act.
It is curious that you learned about biological laws through Antonio Bertoli. Have you also had the opportunity to delve into the subject of Bio-Genealogy?
As an autodidact, I had read books about it and was surprised when I heard Antonio talk about biological laws. I never had any training in this. However, for the last year and a half I have been experiencing it on myself in a 'spontaneous' way, thanks to a psycho-genealogist with whom I am doing personal work: Daniele Ramponi. I would like to confide in you that this is a powerful and profound work, as verifiable as the five biological laws.
After the year with Francesco Gramazio, I was able to experience it empirically within my own family, observing the dynamics in the relationship between my mother and father. Are you also having the opportunity to observe family processes that involve you?
Precisely thanks to this work I have been doing for a year and a half. For example, I'm seeing coherences between me and my cousin with respect to how he is experiencing his life, especially the territorial aspect. I have been able to do what you have done, observe precise connections that when you integrate them allow you to make small changes in your everyday life.
In this regard, I mentioned the subject of genetics in a recent article of mine. I wrote that doctors unknowingly say one thing exactly, in that the sum of my relative's experiences are also inside me, in terms of cellular memory. Do you think there could be a kind of 'heredity' of emotional resentments?
What the doctors say is a half-truth. They themselves believe - in their communication - that the 'genealogical cascade' has an exclusively material origin, in the sense of the body. However, they do not take the aspect you speak of into consideration at all. The grandfather who fails and the grandson who repeats a similar experience at the same age. One may think of it as coincidence. In reality there is a connection of information that the grandson carries within him, which comes into play when he is confronted with a situation that is perceived exactly as the grandfather experienced it. This is a very trivial example, but if we had the will to go and observe our lives through this lens, we would realise that situations like the one just described are not at all uncommon. A disease cannot be 'transmitted'. An information, on the other hand, can. The very fluctuation of the hormonal scales is also the consequence of genealogical hormonal scales. Today, the way the scales move is in response to a series of events that previous generations have experienced.
Can you expand on this concept?
In my opinion, an individual's hormonal balance is the best response to whatever, for example, my father, grandfather or someone in my clan tried to accomplish but failed.
As if the family system somehow demands the closing of a cycle?
Exactly. The socio-cultural context, however, is no longer the same and one has to come to terms with this truth. Try to think about what we have experienced in the last three years. Albeit with different nuances, we can say that we perceived those events as having been plunged into some sort of 'war' or 'apocalypse'. Each of us responded in the same way as those who, before us, had gone through similar experiences, such as the Second World War. They are two different wars, but with the same emotional perception.
The concept of 'invader' comes to mind. In the Second World War it could have been soldiers or delinquent neighbours. Three years ago it was policemen asking you where you were going or institutions forcing you to stay at home.
Of course and in this case, for example, we might have had a response from the broncos, as they were involved in the emotional resentment of a conflict of threatening territory. Different situations, but same biological conflict.
I would say you summarised the concept very well. Some information can have a greater impact on me than it can on my brother, for example. The Talent Map, in this sense, is very useful for delving into these mechanisms.
It is a great tool, even if I am not an expert.
It's a very broad subject. Although I am very attracted to it, I have to turn to other topics. You participated as a speaker in the 'Scientific Medicine' course. Why do you think you were chosen to talk about hormonal balances and schizophrenic constellations?
Matteo Penzo called me and I felt honoured by the invitation. Above all for the opportunity to share with other psychologists and psychotherapists participating in the Scientific Medicine course the topic of hormone scales and Schizophrenic Constellations through the voice of someone who has attended an 'institutional' course of study similar to theirs, but with the desire and passion to pass on the observation and understanding - in aetiological terms - of our behaviour through the lens of the 5 biological laws.
In the module of schizophrenic constellations, there is a lot of talk about hormonal balances, a subject that fascinates me so much because it brings quick answers on the behaviour and state of the individual. It is very useful information for everyone because it allows you to understand yourself and the other person in a profound and verifiable way. Let's take the example of depression. What is it? The loss of territory, in the case of the right-handed man. What is territory? It is the set of spaces in which an individual can manifest himself in his total freedom. It can be a partner, a radio, a room, a car. Spaces of free existence. Subjects on which neither psychiatry nor psychology give explanations in this sense.
Since you mentioned depression, I'd like to explore this topic further. First, however, explain in your own terms what is meant by a hormonal balance.
Hormonal balance means the 'dance' between testosterone and oestrogen. These are the hormones that very significantly determine the subject's attitude towards life. These oscillations are responsible for behavioural frameworks that we can all be 'called upon' to implement, depending on the events with which we come into relationship. Depending on our oscillation between these two hormones, for both women and men, we go on to define the sexual, or relational, aspect, which will in turn define our traits of masculinity or femininity, respectively regulated by testosterone and oestrogen.
I like the concept of 'dance'. I have deduced that there is a kind of misunderstanding within the New Medicine, of which I myself have been a victim, namely the thought that we go from one hemisphere to the other systematically. It would therefore not be a dance, but a kind of 'long jump'. It is not like that. It's as if there are gates that open and close according to the needs that everyday life puts in front of you. Do you agree?
Your metaphor fits perfectly. And I'll tell you more, from a physiological point of view, there are real brain areas (called perinsular) inhabited by neurons whose receptors/gates are sensitive and activate depending on the information contained within the brain areas involved in the 'dance theatre'.
Returning to the depression you mentioned earlier, it is one of the most widespread 'disorders' in the world, both in numerical and geographical terms and constantly increasing. Would you like to explain your view, both from the point of view of biological laws and from the clinical point of view in the field of psychology?
I tell you this as a human being, without labels. The increase in depressive states, i.e. the loss of territory that an individual can experience, is highly frequent at this moment in history because we are part of a system that puts the individual in the condition of extreme battles for territory. Battles that are systematically lost by those who carry them out. Business failures, marital separations. In terms of biological laws, not all individuals have this 'response'. It is in fact typical of right-handed men and left-handed women as they act under the influence of testosterone and progesterone respectively. It is also true that left-handed people can also tend to depressive states, albeit with less intensity than the two categories just mentioned.
With regard to left-handed men, are you talking about a 'biological' depression that is naturally due to the influence of oestrogen, or a depression caused by a territorial conflict experienced in the opposite hemisphere?
The left-handed person has the characteristic of the 'Horse's Leap', to quote Hamer. So he is configured to dance from one hemisphere to the other with more muted conflict tenors, generally speaking. However, depression can affect everyone and is on the rise because this system is overwhelming what in the world of biological laws we call the 'right to exist'. It is not a system that directs us towards our talents or towards a path that may be consistent with our aptitudes. We are in a historical moment that is a disaster from this point of view. In my opinion, what is common to depression in all individuals who experience it is the absence of will to live, regardless of which brain hemisphere they belong to. There may be times when one does not want to do anything, because at that moment it makes sense that things should be that way, but it is a 'communicative' symptom of a depressive state. I repeat, this social system is strongly opposed to the possibility of serenely developing healthy and fruitful relationships. It is a systemic, socio-cultural problem. And the balance is responding very strongly by increasing sexual identity crises. The male is no longer being male and the female is no longer being female. The male has oestrogenic tendencies in the relationship and the female becomes aggressive and manic, depriving herself of the pleasure of being in oestrogen.
Territorial conflicts. Mauro Sartorio in one of his videos on left-handedness explains how left- and right-handed people are the 'spare portion of humanity' that can restore balance in a situation like the one you just described, where right-handed people suffer from identity and territory conflicts. Do you agree?
Depressive manifestations, as I have already said, are suffered more by right-handed and left-handed people. In the sporting environment I have been able to observe the way some athletes respond to certain events and my experience, albeit brief, tells me that the left-handed person is biologically configured to 'free himself' a little more easily from situations of high external pressure.
Also because 'harassment' tends to be experienced more conflictually by a right-handed person than a left-handed one..
Of course. We are in a period when the tendency to give a direct 'hard-nosed' response is challenged. There is no longer a situation where two individuals face each other face to face to resolve a situation. We are in a context where a lawyer or an intermediary has to be called in to solve a problem between two leaders. The ability to go directly 'to the piece' is suppressed and therefore one must have more 'strategic' faculties to achieve a result. This is a characteristic of left-handed men or right-handed women, according to biological teaching. It is to all intents and purposes an advantage. However, I go back to saying that depression is nothing more than the biological response to a territorial conflict, only that at this moment, the one or those perceived as threats to the territory represent an invincible opponent! Take the arrival of a bill from Equitalia or the Internal Revenue Service. It is like being outside your cave and seeing on the horizon a team of Indians on horseback heading menacingly towards you. How would you react? Would you try to fight them or would you deliberately decide to submit? Let me give you a slightly more concrete example: if my work colleague threatens me and my will 'would be' to defend myself with every means at my disposal, I cannot do so otherwise I would lose my job, my home and the possibility to support my family. What do I do? I prefer to succumb and maybe get a biliary ulcer.
Or even worse a coronary artery conflict. In the light of the last three years, is it plausible to think that many people have experienced territory conflicts? It all seems extremely logical to me. The way you talk, though, there seems to be no way out. If a tsunami comes you can't try to block it with just your hands. Maybe it's something we have to go through to understand something?
Yes. As you say, we cannot do otherwise. The disheartening thing is that these swings are experienced because of factors that are not biological. It is not biological that I have a coronary heart attack because I lose my job at the factory.
What do you mean when you say it is not biological? A coronary heart attack is biological..
I say it is not biological to work forty hours a week. From a biological point of view, a man thousands of years ago would go hunting for two days consecutively and then for three days he would do different things, while the whole tribe fed themselves with the hunted product. Today with forty hours you struggle to accumulate what you need to live on, a rent and food. What is biologically meaningful about this conduct of the social system? Your organism is driven with times and intensities that are supernatural. The response of the coronaries is biological, but the social aspect is not biological. Do we realise what we are experiencing?
It is a bit like being asked to do a marathon with one leg. However, I believe that knowledge of biological laws can also help us adapt to situations that are not biological, to use your vocabulary, and thus 'modify' the emotional resentments that can violently activate certain organs. What do you think?
Either I move or the wall moves.
And of course you have to move..
Take a right-handed woman. Put her in charge. In order for her to best survive the position she's in, she has to shift hormonally. This shift is not wrong, it is simply functional to respect what her brain is feeling. The problem is that this has repercussions in terms of the 'pleasure of existence', because she is not designed to feel pleasure in a territory that does not belong to her. She can do it out of necessity, but not for a lifetime. Otherwise, she can never cultivate her biological territory, that of motherhood, fertility and acceptance. If a right-handed man is not free to develop his own territory, nature gives him the chance to become a little more feminine and submissive, but this leads to depression, dissatisfaction and a drop in libido. Since sexual energy is what drives existence, for both man and woman, when the two buttons of the perinsulae 'protagonists' of this drive, sexual and creative manifestation are crushed, you have already endangered your species. In the short term by the way. Right now, the stimuli from our western culture are 'pushing' these two areas so much, resulting in shifted hormonal balances. Teenagers are experiencing hormonal 'balancing' situations, with more rarefied, nuanced, indefinite speciation.
Neither meat nor fish?
Yes, resulting in an inability to mature definitively, as a man or as a woman. This can manifest itself in particular sufferings within relationships. You see people of 35 years of age leading companies with an average age of 50. You understand for yourself that these are not biologically sensible situations. I take the example of hunting for survival. Can I think of hunting with someone slower and less strong than me? Can I think of having to hunt for food with the worry of having to think of someone other than myself, risking slowing down my actions and thus weakening myself? I have to go with someone who is at least as strong as me, if not stronger. It is a system built to disintegrate an entire civilisation.
Depression in right-handed men also results in the loss of directional figures. This has repercussions in corporate contexts, for example, where the lack of a defined direction can lead to dramatic outcomes in terms of operations and results, don't you think?
Absolutely. The tragic thing is that you see these processes at work even among teenagers. I was talking to you earlier about the fact that people no longer confront each other face to face, as two wolves do when they have to fight for territory. Today we end up with sixteen year olds who are a bit more 'scatterbrained' than they were twenty years ago. We talk about thousands of years of evolution and yet it only takes a few decades to deform entire generations. In my opinion they are all 'kept down'. They are too well looked after by their parents who naturally project all the conflicting wisdom onto them, including guilt for not being able to be with them enough.
Another nice little programme in the background, that of guilt..
I always make a joke. If I drive past a high school in my town today - whereas in the eighties and nineties I saw rows of mopeds and bicycles one on top of the other - today at exit time I see SUVs in the third and fourth rows, with parents inside picking up their children. Leaving school is an important 'territorial point', as the 16-year-old on duty can go to the neighbour he likes and ask her out for the afternoon to go for a ride.
The inability to mature as a man or a woman can lead you to experience relationships as a son instead of a partner! The purpose of the hormonal balance is to bring the man out of the cave to face existence and the woman to be the best containment basin for existence itself.
According to biological laws, the meaning of homosexuality lies in the fact that a male undergoes a territorial conflict in the first years of life for a duration of more than nine months. Is it possible that in light of what you say, the age by which this activation can take place has extended beyond the years of childhood and puberty into adolescence?
In my experience, the homosexuals I have known are all right-handed (women and men). I have also known left-handed women in their thirties and forties who had homosexual relationships in their teens. This does not detract from the fact that there may also be homosexual lefties, but due to the aforementioned 'horse-jumping' they are more likely to swing from homosexuality to heterosexuality. I find confirmation of territory conflicts at an early age.
Adolescence is the developmental stage during which each of us is called upon to manifest and integrate our Sexual/Relational Identity. One comes out of the Cave and establishes New Relationships with peers and other reference adults, but the conflictual and territorial experiences have already produced furrows within each of us during the very first years of life.
I remember very well that in the late nineties, when I was in my early twenties, I was already hearing numerous stories of separation. Many of these experiences, which are always on the increase, have young children in them.
By this I do not intend to say that this is the scientific cause that all these children have become or will become homosexuals, however, it occurs to me, years later, that a separation inevitably leads to consequences in the psychic state of the children, often concerning Sexual Identity, that is to say, relational. If, at an early age, I see the two mammals who fathered me quarrelling and slandering each other, where does my hormonal scale take me? Is it better to be male or is it better to be female? Am I with one or am I with the other? What does my brain ask me to do? What do I do if it is my mother who asks me to be her partner? Consider then that these things do not only happen in the case of separations..
Indeed, I too notice a certain 'confusion' in today's teenagers..
I'll tell you this. Imagine the biological urge you can feel in going to ring the doorbell of the house where the girl you like lives, with the very high possibility that her mother or father might answer or answer you, and then imagine the urge you can feel instead in writing a message on WhatsApp directly to her, bypassing the real obstacle to conquering the territory, i.e. the parents! Thinking that this transition is mediated by technology puts a damper on everything.
At this point I have to ask you what you think about dating sites and the fact that today people meet each other in these contexts.
Luca you didn't grow up with a mobile phone right?
The first one came when I was seventeen, but I could only send text messages. It was still something that made me feel the sense of 'hitting on a girl'.
There's a clear difference here. Listen to me. In the text message you sent to the girl you liked you had to be careful to write down everything you had to communicate to her within the character limit you had available. If you made a mistake or omitted something, you had to send two or three more, spending up to 60 cents per message. Now that feeling has disappeared because you always have a second chance. Everything is simplified. There is no 'effort' upstream. You understand that today the scales are set at zero in these cases. You, who have experienced them on your skin, have a brain that has experienced an event that has matured you in a certain way. Boys who were born in the year two thousand did not have this experience because they went to the disco accompanied by their parents. And how can you court a girl with your mother by your side?
Is this a social problem?
We would have to resume this discussion in at least ten years to be able to say that. However, I can tell you that in my opinion future relationships will be crossbed, as today's biology of the foreigner is quite different from that of the average Westerner. He has more 'attractive' qualities in relational contexts and is closer to the 'natural' state.
What would you recommend to someone entering the world of biological laws for the first time?
I would recommend in sequence the books by Claudio Trupiano and then those by Katia Bianchi with Sandra Pellegrino, which are more technical. In addition, there are numerous courses where you can learn the first concepts of biological laws in Italy, including Daleth and Mauro Sartorio's project. I also offer seminars from time to time. I also recommend listening to different bells and hearing the one that resonates most within you because, as I said at the beginning, in my opinion, biological laws teach us how to live.